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what's up everybody thanks for being

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patient um

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we are hanging tight for our guest of

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the hour so we can talk portuguese uaps

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that rhymes it's freaking fantastic

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so thanks for being patient with us i

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really do appreciate it uh francisco's

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gonna have a lot to offer i just uh did

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some pre-listening to uh some of his

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uh wonderful work on

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fatima so

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and there's so many details that

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a lot of people

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apparently don't even know about about

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that um so it's gonna be very

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interesting so

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when we when i come back and he just

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showed up so when i come back we are

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going to be hanging out with him

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and our wednesday friend

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mr j christopher king

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so here we are we got mr g king how are

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you sir

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hey i'm doing really well sean it's

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great to see you it's uh it's my

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my third event for the day and i'm super

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psyched to be fancy

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i know right yeah with you and francisco

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it's going to be awesome i'm looking

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forward to it it's great to see um some

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new faces in the chat um from portugal

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and from the eu

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so thanks for hanging out with us and

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bringing the 10 o'clock to midnight oil

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over there with us this evening

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i hope you're all drinking drinking some

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of that famous or those of you that

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imbibe

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uh i hope you're drinking some of that

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famous portuguese wine uh

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my great grandfather sold that one oh

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yeah nice

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uh so

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you have wonderful intros for people

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sure i'm hoping hoping you didn't let me

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down today

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absolutely and um so i hope that that

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francisco will

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will um

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give me a little bit of breathing room

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and charity uh given

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that um

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timing misalignment so i wasn't able to

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uh run all my pronunciations past oh

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so please i really hope that i'm not

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going to be causing an international

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incident with this and um anybody in the

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chat or francisco himself can please

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feel free uh to correct me i am i have

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room to grow as we all do

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all right uh francisco correa is a

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portuguese researcher based in puerto in

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2009 he founded exopolitica portugal

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organization exploring ufology and

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projects with c-tech the

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department at the fernando pasua

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university in porto francisco has

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appeared as a television personality in

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various shows for the national

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geographic channel including ufo europe

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and planet ufo he also appeared in three

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seasons of extraterrestrials for canal

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historia francisco is also one of the

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founders of icer the international

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coalition for extraterrestrial research

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europe of this organization which

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currently has representatives from 27

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countries on five continents francisco

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it's great to have you here on the show

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today

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hi francisco how are you thanks for

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joining us today well thank you for

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inviting me

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it's a pleasure

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pleasure is all mine um i did want to

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start with something specific so what i

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do a lot on this show is i do a lot of

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document dives and everything and you

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cases out of portugal in within the blue

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book files but one thing i i found that

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uh newspaper cartoon thing

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and you gave you gave me that so

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but yeah thanks for joining us uh you

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not just portugal uap so i look forward

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to chatting with you i'm really excited

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about it so we just had somebody i'm

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like there's a lot of details about that

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case that people just don't know about

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people don't know because they have not

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english uh the fatma trilogy heavenly

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lights and celestial secrets uh by

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university uh he led for some years the

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the seatec the center for

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extraterrestrial which was uh for the

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books etc and so she eventually

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that portugal was a monarchy until

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she tried to to investigate more about

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that that woman

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uh a special permission

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the fatima sanctuary

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to go there

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to see if there's if there was anything

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about that woman and specifically

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and maybe about the shepherds because

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there were two young women there as well

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sure and and eventually uh she got she

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she but but that permission

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luck

293
00:11:57,590 --> 00:11:56,160
she found several files

294
00:12:00,310 --> 00:11:57,600
one of them

295
00:12:03,910 --> 00:12:00,320
about unusual phenomena there was a

296
00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:03,920
specific file about unusual phenomena

297
00:12:06,310 --> 00:12:05,440
and

298
00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:06,320
well

299
00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:11,360
she took several several notes

300
00:12:16,629 --> 00:12:13,920
uh from the uh

301
00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:16,639
the first testimony from uh the

302
00:12:22,230 --> 00:12:18,480
shepherds to the local priest for

303
00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:22,240
example and all those written notes

304
00:12:28,870 --> 00:12:25,360
she later also went to the um

305
00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:28,880
to the um a national archive center uh

306
00:12:36,550 --> 00:12:33,519
torre tombo where she also found

307
00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:40,069
not only witness testimony

308
00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:40,880
she

309
00:12:46,949 --> 00:12:46,079
witnesses

310
00:12:49,509 --> 00:12:46,959
um

311
00:12:50,629 --> 00:12:49,519
that she later went to interview in

312
00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:50,639
person

313
00:12:55,829 --> 00:12:52,480
people that were still alive

314
00:12:58,710 --> 00:12:55,839
that she was able to talk to

315
00:13:00,790 --> 00:12:58,720
and well it it developed then they

316
00:13:01,910 --> 00:13:00,800
gathered uh

317
00:13:05,190 --> 00:13:01,920
a team

318
00:13:07,030 --> 00:13:05,200
of scientists and because

319
00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:07,040
uh

320
00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:09,040
fatima is is

321
00:13:13,670 --> 00:13:10,880
through six months

322
00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:13,680
the first operation on this on the 13th

323
00:13:18,550 --> 00:13:17,120
of may the last operation on the 13th of

324
00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:18,560
october

325
00:13:23,829 --> 00:13:20,480
so every 13th of

326
00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:23,839
uh every 13th of the month there was an

327
00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:29,030
this is very very complex

328
00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:30,560
and well there was there was kind of a

329
00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:32,320
lead up to it as well wasn't there like

330
00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:34,800
on my birthday february 7th

331
00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:37,360
there's some like psychics or something

332
00:13:40,629 --> 00:13:39,680
those those are well because we are

333
00:13:41,829 --> 00:13:40,639
already

334
00:13:42,870 --> 00:13:41,839
uh

335
00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:42,880
i think

336
00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:45,360
those those small details are also in in

337
00:13:50,710 --> 00:13:48,000
the books of course right not everyone

338
00:13:52,310 --> 00:13:50,720
reads the book because the books are

339
00:13:54,069 --> 00:13:52,320
as in um

340
00:13:57,829 --> 00:13:54,079
almost a

341
00:14:00,230 --> 00:13:57,839
phd thesis it's it's complex

342
00:14:02,710 --> 00:14:00,240
wording so it's it's not for everyone

343
00:14:04,629 --> 00:14:02,720
and i agree with that

344
00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:04,639
and also we did besides the history

345
00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:07,120
channel we did other uh documentaries

346
00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:10,160
other interviews and so this these small

347
00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:13,920
bits of information the details uh that

348
00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:17,360
not everyone knows about um started

349
00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:19,440
obviously circulating

350
00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:23,120
so this this this lit up was in uh there

351
00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:25,600
was a group of psychics

352
00:14:32,069 --> 00:14:29,199
that used to have their gatherings

353
00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:32,079
for their sessions and this was in

354
00:14:36,790 --> 00:14:33,199
lisbon

355
00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:36,800
and they uh in this the the 7th of

356
00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:38,160
february

357
00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:40,480
in this session they received some kind

358
00:14:42,710 --> 00:14:41,600
of message

359
00:14:43,509 --> 00:14:42,720
which

360
00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:43,519
they

361
00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:45,760
transco transcribed

362
00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:47,440
into paper

363
00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:49,920
from right to left so it was something

364
00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:52,079
that you need to put in front of an uh a

365
00:15:02,629 --> 00:14:59,030
a mirror in order to be able to read and

366
00:15:04,389 --> 00:15:02,639
so part of this message message had a a

367
00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:04,399
sequence of numbers

368
00:15:08,389 --> 00:15:05,920
13 5

369
00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:08,399
917

370
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:09,600
and this

371
00:15:14,629 --> 00:15:12,399
they later published this this message

372
00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:14,639
on the newspaper in march on 10th of

373
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:16,800
march

374
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:18,959
which

375
00:15:22,389 --> 00:15:21,040
this this this small

376
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,399
announcement

377
00:15:28,150 --> 00:15:24,480
was the one that fina

378
00:15:29,590 --> 00:15:28,160
was able to find in the first

379
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:29,600
first or second

380
00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:31,120
um

381
00:15:35,910 --> 00:15:34,240
visit to the to the library in porto uh

382
00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:35,920
from the newspaper

383
00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:36,959
back then

384
00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:44,629
sorry no no it was a copy it was the

385
00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:48,160
library was in porto it was a copy of uh

386
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:50,480
of a newspaper from lisbon of course

387
00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:53,440
okay this this this this this team of

388
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:56,000
psychics was from lisbon

389
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:57,920
and so they decided to publish

390
00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:00,480
this this without knowing that they

391
00:16:06,069 --> 00:16:02,800
interpret the message as something

392
00:16:08,949 --> 00:16:06,079
related to uh the first war

393
00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:08,959
first world war because there were

394
00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:11,600
many people that had relatives uh in the

395
00:16:16,870 --> 00:16:14,399
war and they thought they interpret that

396
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:16,880
something very big

397
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:20,240
connected to the eventually end of war

398
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:23,279
would would happen

399
00:16:30,150 --> 00:16:27,360
and fina later uh in the 70s was able to

400
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:30,160
to talk to one of these the psychics and

401
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:31,839
ask them if

402
00:16:35,189 --> 00:16:34,079
it was usual for them to publish their

403
00:16:38,150 --> 00:16:35,199
messages

404
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:38,160
and they said no they felt compelled to

405
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:39,920
publish the message

406
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:41,839
but it was not something that they used

407
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:43,600
to do

408
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:46,320
so it's quite quite uncommon there was

409
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:47,519
another

410
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:52,639
and

411
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:53,600
who

412
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:55,920
on the 10th i believe it was on the 10th

413
00:17:02,230 --> 00:16:59,440
of may also received a message and paid

414
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:02,240
from his own pocket no the psychics in

415
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:04,000
lisbon paid from their own pocket to

416
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:07,120
publish the message this guy in in porto

417
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:08,240
he sent

418
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:11,199
the the message to several newspapers

419
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:13,919
and some of them published the message

420
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,319
on front page

421
00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:18,959
saying that something on the 13th

422
00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:21,679
would happen that would impress

423
00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:24,160
everyone and the entire world

424
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:25,039
right

425
00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:28,720
so this this this part of the the other

426
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:30,400
psychic antonio

427
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:32,640
he published on the 10th uh it was

428
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,480
published on the 11th so he received the

429
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,480
message on the 10th on the 11th it was

430
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,720
published on the newspapers

431
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:40,799
do you recall it's o'neill's last name

432
00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:43,120
sorry to interrupt no no no no we only

433
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:46,000
know the first name anton okay my family

434
00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:48,160
like i have family like right in that

435
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:50,000
time frame that was

436
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,000
running around those areas and antonio's

437
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,480
my grandpa's name so that's why i'm

438
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:57,120
stopping you like what

439
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:59,039
and yeah you work for one of the two

440
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:00,559
major newspapers

441
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:02,880
yeah that would be insane

442
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,440
anything about about your history the

443
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:07,520
portuguese uh yes

444
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:09,039
a little bit it's hard to find the

445
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:11,600
information out there i know he sold

446
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:14,799
portal uh portal wine i think it was

447
00:18:19,029 --> 00:18:17,520
then i have a picture of him like um as

448
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:19,039
a as a priest

449
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:21,200
but and there's different stories one

450
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:22,960
story is that he

451
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:26,720
uh wound up uh having

452
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:29,679
intercourse with the maid and

453
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:30,559
didn't

454
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:33,039
wanted to get out of the monastery so he

455
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:34,880
came over here

456
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:37,120
and there's other stories that

457
00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:40,240
well his father was a land baron um

458
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:42,160
you know there's a bunch of stuff so but

459
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:43,760
it's hard to find any records other than

460
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,080
they're like i got their birth records

461
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:48,160
probably would need to come here and see

462
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,280
that uh

463
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:51,679
well the old record if that's an invite

464
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,150
and

465
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,590
used to have to be a a big empire

466
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:03,039
right yeah

467
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:03,840
yeah

468
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:07,679
we

469
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:09,280
one of the big

470
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,480
big uh empires that the one of the i

471
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:14,240
think it was the one that lasted the

472
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:15,440
most

473
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,510
well during that time like 1917 was it

474
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:23,520
there was a little bit of a civil war

475
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:24,400
too and

476
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:26,080
there was well there were there were

477
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:28,880
several there were several several uh

478
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:31,760
uprisings after the fall of the the

479
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:34,160
monarchy of course yeah there were

480
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:38,000
several um the first republic was very

481
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:39,440
there were several

482
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:42,320
uh governments uh one leading to another

483
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,360
because it was very all very new and um

484
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:49,200
there was infighting everywhere

485
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:50,160
yeah

486
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:55,039
came over here i mean i've always been

487
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,799
obsessed with that side of my family too

488
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,320
and i can't figure out what it is

489
00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:00,720
exactly but you know

490
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,440
so

491
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:03,120
what are you going to do

492
00:20:06,660 --> 00:20:04,880
you can keep talking about the story has

493
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,670
that don't mean to interrupt yeah

494
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,559
[Laughter]

495
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:10,240
you were talking about antonio yeah the

496
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:11,919
other psychic

497
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:16,720
know much about him we have a picture of

498
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:19,280
him um basically and we know that he

499
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:21,039
published the um

500
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:22,080
the um

501
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,360
uh that art well he's sent to several

502
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:27,520
several newspapers that

503
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:30,480
found it interesting or important to to

504
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:34,240
publish the news and so on on the 13th

505
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:35,360
at noon

506
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,960
uh these three little children

507
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:41,120
um

508
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:41,919
were

509
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,880
uh with the the sheep of their their

510
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:46,320
family

511
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:49,360
uh wandering ima you have to understand

512
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:53,440
that in 1917 uh portugal was still very

513
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:56,080
undeveloped in that part of the the

514
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,600
country there were no roads no radio no

515
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,520
tv of course

516
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,600
no cars anything

517
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,200
so

518
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:07,679
up in the mountains the children used to

519
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:08,799
pray

520
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,190
sounds like a blast

521
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:17,039
indeed

522
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:17,840
so

523
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,960
um

524
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:20,799
they eventually hurt

525
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:23,200
a kind of defender

526
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:24,559
and suddenly

527
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:25,600
uh

528
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,480
the sheep were paralyzed

529
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,120
that was what franci

530
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:34,320
this three children um

531
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:35,760
lucia

532
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,470
10

533
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:43,280
francisco and jacinta they were cut they

534
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:44,480
were brothers

535
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:47,360
and they were um

536
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:50,559
cousins of lucia okay nine and nine and

537
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:51,440
seven

538
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,159
and so uh francisco

539
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:59,190
she was he was very impressed

540
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:02,240
that was what most impressed him was the

541
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:03,440
fact that

542
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:08,230
and um

543
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,799
they they eventually saw this image of

544
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,120
very bright

545
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:18,159
female figure

546
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,950
they heard a buzzing sound as well

547
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,039
and uh

548
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:30,240
francisco didn't hear anything

549
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:31,200
um

550
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:34,880
both lucia and and jacinta

551
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:36,640
heard

552
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,720
uh the being telling something and only

553
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:43,200
lucia was able to communicate with them

554
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:44,240
with it

555
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,080
okay

556
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,480
and they did

557
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:50,480
they said that

558
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,000
it spoke without moving its lips so

559
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,720
telepathically

560
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,159
and

561
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,760
basically

562
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:02,400
this was the first the first encounter

563
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,149
obviously they when when they went to to

564
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:10,799
tell their their relatives their parents

565
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,760
uh everyone no one believed

566
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:15,840
of course um

567
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,000
they never told that especially lucia

568
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,400
the they never told about

569
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,880
talking with the virgin mary

570
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:27,120
they only said it was

571
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:37,590
so um

572
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:40,390
this this this this being

573
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:44,000
asked them to come every 13th

574
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,760
of the month

575
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:48,000
and on the sixth time

576
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:48,960
it

577
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:54,149
the reason

578
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:00,230
and

579
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,640
it asked them also to learn how to read

580
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:06,960
uh because that's basic of knowledge

581
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,159
right these are uneducated children so

582
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:12,240
learn how to read

583
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,679
so go and find knowledge of course

584
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:17,760
and also

585
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:25,110
researchers we believe that

586
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:33,029
this entity

587
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,080
it's

588
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,120
the reason it asked them to to to pray

589
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,360
was that it was something that belonged

590
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,440
to their daily lives

591
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,279
so it is something that they resonated

592
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,480
to okay

593
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,799
come and pray okay

594
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:48,159
and

595
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:50,400
that's our interpretation

596
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,840
why why asking to pray

597
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:54,960
and

598
00:25:03,350 --> 00:24:59,919
every 13th of the month

599
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,360
they were they would go there and

600
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,400
obviously word of mouth spread

601
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,200
throughout through relatives etc and so

602
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:11,279
people started started coming they

603
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,799
wanted to see as well

604
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,400
and so in june

605
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,200
there was already a few people there

606
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:22,080
uh in july more people

607
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,600
in august

608
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,360
and

609
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,559
the the the children

610
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:31,360
were were not there they they were taken

611
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,640
by the bishop

612
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,559
and from local priests

613
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,960
uh because well the would have not

614
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,080
spread

615
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:41,120
uh it was an ankle of jacinta that said

616
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,880
if it comes from the sky

617
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:43,760
who

618
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,919
unless the virgin mary

619
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:49,120
holy mary

620
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,000
and so

621
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,320
there was confusion when people they did

622
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,159
not believe the children they thought it

623
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,320
was a heresy and so they were the

624
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,279
children were taken into questioning

625
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,120
and so on the 13th of august they were

626
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:03,279
not there but

627
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:04,159
still

628
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,360
the apparition took place although

629
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,600
the the the people that

630
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,919
tried to be there to witness something

631
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,159
they could not see no one

632
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:17,200
ever saw anything but they

633
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,039
they saw

634
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:21,760
or heard the um

635
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:25,279
defender that always

636
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:26,159
would

637
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:32,960
and they also saw other

638
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,039
manifestations globes of light

639
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,960
moving clouds

640
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,400
strange stuff

641
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,880
that they they all interpret that the

642
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,520
operation took place

643
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,159
so the children and there was a

644
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:50,080
in august there was a second apparition

645
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:54,240
on the 19th uh the the the being

646
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,840
manifested in front of them again

647
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,880
and

648
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,960
uh well

649
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:02,880
there was there's nothing more to add

650
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:06,159
about that in september in october in

651
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,279
september there were already

652
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,360
not a thousand but hundreds of people

653
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:13,600
uh there

654
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,640
and they all they saw

655
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,240
flying hats

656
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,200
uh balls of light

657
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:22,960
moving clouds

658
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,600
strange crosses in the sky

659
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,240
strange strange phenomena things that

660
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,120
people could not understand

661
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,000
people never had seen any airplane

662
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,760
portugal didn't have airplanes at back

663
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,960
in time

664
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,159
so

665
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,000
they could not interpret what they were

666
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,470
so because people were waiting for that

667
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:49,120
big message that would be presented on

668
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,880
the on in october the sixth time

669
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:53,919
uh

670
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,549
thousands and thousands of people that

671
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,840
prepared

672
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,200
to gold there and it had been raining

673
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,120
all night

674
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:08,480
during the day in the morning

675
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,440
and

676
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,840
people were all wet

677
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:13,279
so at noon

678
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,840
this

679
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,039
something round shape

680
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:20,000
came from behind the clouds

681
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,880
and

682
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,640
uh flew

683
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,600
over

684
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,480
the people that were standing there

685
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:29,039
and through this path of the object the

686
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:32,720
object made twice and then went up

687
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,520
and

688
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:34,799
people fell

689
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,559
felt heat

690
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,720
their clothes dried

691
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,960
the soil dried

692
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,840
there were

693
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:45,440
some spontaneous

694
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:46,720
cures

695
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,360
small things that people had in their

696
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,360
skin for example that

697
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,080
just cured and

698
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:56,240
there were reports of

699
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,080
of the very few cars that were there the

700
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,480
very few cars some of them

701
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:04,240
the hoods

702
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,630
windshields shattered

703
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,120
spontaneous combustion of gasoline

704
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:14,960
so

705
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,240
of course

706
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:19,679
and um

707
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,269
from from the front

708
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,039
not only from the witnesses but also

709
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:29,679
from the photographs

710
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,720
there was an estimation between 50 000

711
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:35,440
to 70 000 people there

712
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,039
not every not all of the people saw

713
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,360
this all this manifestation

714
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,360
uh especially people that were on the

715
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:45,200
center

716
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:46,320
and uh

717
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:50,320
yeah they were people that were just uh

718
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:54,000
local farmers very uneducated people and

719
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,200
there were

720
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,440
professors from the oldest

721
00:30:02,470 --> 00:29:59,919
university in portugal from queen

722
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:02,480
medical doctors priests

723
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,760
and

724
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:06,320
the witness report from these people

725
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,039
highly educated they saw

726
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:14,070
a dull silvery disc

727
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:17,200
flashing lights in its equator

728
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,520
and it would go round and round need flu

729
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,600
there was the buzzing sounds

730
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,279
and um

731
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:27,760
eventually there were some people that

732
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,960
said that they saw

733
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,360
humanoid figures inside

734
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,559
the disk which they interpret as the

735
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,240
holy family

736
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,960
jesus mary and joseph

737
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,279
this was their interpretation

738
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,669
the team the team of scientists were

739
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:48,960
able to

740
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,919
according to the uh the the files in the

741
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,000
uh the national archives

742
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:57,279
uh to pinpoint

743
00:31:01,509 --> 00:31:00,559
like almost 100 witnesses that were

744
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:01,519
there

745
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,519
and they interviewed them and

746
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:06,640
they they

747
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:09,760
eventually were able to to see that

748
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:13,039
the path of the object and identify all

749
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,320
the physical

750
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,279
manifestations or

751
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:18,960
things that were felt

752
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,840
during the fly of the object

753
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,960
so

754
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,000
uh

755
00:31:27,330 --> 00:31:26,480
basically that's it's very summarized

756
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,340
that's it

757
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:29,279
[Music]

758
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,840
only that that's amazing thousands of

759
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:32,880
people

760
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,600
still flying silvery hats

761
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:37,279
a being that doesn't

762
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,240
like exactly

763
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,000
the virgin mary right

764
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:46,399
so she never she never she never said it

765
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,679
was a virgin mary and in 1920

766
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:51,919
there was this this man and i forgot his

767
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:54,080
name he's from torres veterans it's a

768
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:58,159
place near near near lisbon um he um

769
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,279
offered

770
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,880
uh an image

771
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,320
like this high

772
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,640
and to the sanctuary

773
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,200
like a description of the the the

774
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:09,840
apparition of mary when it was presented

775
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:11,679
to to lucia

776
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:13,840
she said this wasn't

777
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,000
has nothing to do with what i

778
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:17,679
saw

779
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:24,230
there's a book of sacral art

780
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:27,600
which testified that this image was

781
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,559
copied from another holy maryland from

782
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:32,159
another place okay yeah because that's

783
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,200
sort of the description of the

784
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:35,360
description

785
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,320
uh it was it was it was in the in the

786
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:43,279
the files of the sanctuary and uh the

787
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,240
husband of fino the armada

788
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:48,480
drew made made a drawing

789
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,519
uh from that description in the the

790
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,519
first testimony of lucia

791
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,039
and it's that

792
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,320
that drawing that is very well

793
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,240
spread across internet

794
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,240
that doesn't resemble any christian

795
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:04,960
figure at all

796
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:08,000
and that they communicated i think it

797
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:09,679
spoke without moving its mouth or

798
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,070
and there was there was

799
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,240
i mean i remember hearing

800
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:21,039
that even between the children maybe the

801
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:22,480
smallest boy

802
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,519
the the small boy didn't quite always

803
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,360
see the woman

804
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,240
at like as the woman is that right that

805
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,880
he may have seen that figure differently

806
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,559
is that true

807
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,919
no uh

808
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,279
yes

809
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:39,120
the two the two

810
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,159
the two

811
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,200
kids female kids uh okay

812
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,159
had different experience from francisco

813
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,080
the guy okay yes

814
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,710
they uh lucia and jacinta were able to

815
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:56,799
to see and hear

816
00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:00,000
uh francisco um

817
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,679
could see something but could not hear

818
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,720
anything

819
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,720
gotcha interesting

820
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:06,320
he i think he heard the buzzing sound

821
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,109
you know i i've got i've got one i've

822
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,879
got so many follow-up questions i'm sure

823
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,639
sean does as well you know there are so

824
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,399
there are so many details here that

825
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,520
really jibe with so many you know other

826
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,919
cases and it it just strikes me that

827
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:24,879
this is

828
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,919
this has to be one of the most important

829
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,480
paranormal cases of the 20th century if

830
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:33,200
not in the entire history uh that we

831
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,879
know of you know recorded history

832
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,119
especially with so many witnesses so

833
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:38,639
many corroborative details it's

834
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,679
incredible now one thing you know among

835
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,359
you know the buzzing that sounded like

836
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:45,679
insects you know the the silvery disc

837
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,560
all these

838
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:48,960
details that sound tantalizing from

839
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,240
tantalizingly familiar there's also i i

840
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,800
heard you say before in a conversation a

841
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:57,040
private conversation with richard dolan

842
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,839
that

843
00:35:03,349 --> 00:34:58,960
there is

844
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,359
supposedly allegedly a portal nearby

845
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:04,560
where this

846
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,320
like according to some people is that is

847
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:13,750
kind of like skinwalker ranch maybe or

848
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,990
some people believe that there's some

849
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,760
kind of portal

850
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,920
in this area between

851
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:27,040
fatima

852
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:30,790
it's

853
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:38,000
that'd be too perfect that's right yeah

854
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,040
well

855
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:41,200
but it's it's a little bit hearsay

856
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,400
because we cannot of course

857
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,000
assert anything there's there's

858
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,480
this is because there's a place

859
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,800
more or less not near

860
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,400
it would be part of the

861
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:55,839
triangle

862
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,310
couple of mountains where

863
00:36:05,710 --> 00:36:04,880
especially in the 80s there was this man

864
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,720
that um

865
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,400
[Music]

866
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,960
mr america

867
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:13,599
he um

868
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,680
he's he said that he was witness uh

869
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:19,440
uh

870
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:22,800
he had a diary where he um

871
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:26,320
had a lot of all the the sightings and

872
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,359
it was thousands of sightings that he

873
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:30,800
witnessed

874
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:33,520
and eventually during his

875
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:34,400
um

876
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,359
walks

877
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,720
through the mountain

878
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,400
he eventually uh

879
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:41,119
had discovered an entrance

880
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:43,839
that would go inside where there was a

881
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:44,720
big

882
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:48,800
alien base inside the mountain okay

883
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:52,400
uh he has he had a very big

884
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,079
diary of all sorts of sightings

885
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,000
big small et cetera

886
00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:00,640
and he thought he was a contactee

887
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:01,599
so this

888
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,200
um even today there are uh

889
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:07,599
people that believe him

890
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,400
the the researchers from the university

891
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:12,880
had many talks with him

892
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:15,280
including they went to the to the

893
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,560
mountain they stayed there for several

894
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:20,640
days trying to

895
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:23,839
see something measured uh

896
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:24,800
the uh

897
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:27,440
the magnetic fields etc

898
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,079
they didn't see anything they did not

899
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,760
register anything

900
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:33,920
so

901
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:36,720
and even the people there

902
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,599
where

903
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,320
local people from that live near the

904
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,040
mountain or up the mountain

905
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:46,240
back then the the early witnesses said

906
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:49,839
well we never saw anything only after

907
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:52,800
this this man became a

908
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,079
popular because of their of his visions

909
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:58,160
then people said ah yeah

910
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,839
because there were lots of tourists and

911
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:01,680
people interested in going there and so

912
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,720
people

913
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,640
started maybe

914
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:07,200
we think that they started inventing as

915
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,400
well that something was there but uh

916
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:12,800
yeah that happens

917
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,680
yeah let me let me ask you uh with the

918
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,400
the all the secrets of of

919
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,079
you know um

920
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,430
do you think there's any relevance

921
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:28,400
to what's happening today

922
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:31,920
uh what if there are no secrets at all

923
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:32,960
yeah

924
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,400
okay so um

925
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:39,599
in the first testimony from lucia

926
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,560
uh the heat the the written testimony

927
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,599
from the local priests back in those

928
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:46,800
days

929
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:52,000
no mention of secrets at all

930
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,119
there was

931
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,480
reference to some words

932
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,560
small words a couple of words that were

933
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:01,680
mentioned but

934
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,560
not no mention to secrets

935
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,240
only later

936
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,480
uh

937
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,320
so in in

938
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:12,320
in the 20s

939
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:16,240
when when lucia was sent to

940
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,240
a jesuit uh monastery in in spain where

941
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:22,400
she made of our silence see

942
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,599
uh

943
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:25,839
she had a very very tough life very

944
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:29,040
tough life so she lost her

945
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:35,270
her

946
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,400
i mean

947
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:38,720
all her life was was destroyed because

948
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:39,680
of this

949
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:42,640
her cousins died because of pneumonia

950
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:43,680
and

951
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,359
that's it

952
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,400
so in in in 20

953
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,480
i believe it's 26

954
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,560
uh it's the

955
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,040
the first recollections written

956
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,599
recollections of of mary

957
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,240
and that's after being in in the

958
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,280
monastery and remember that

959
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:07,520
in the beginning she was uneducated so

960
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,880
she was educated inside the monastery

961
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,280
and so this this written

962
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:15,359
testimony

963
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,079
very rich in terms of vocabulary

964
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,040
and she starts talking about one secret

965
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,280
and then later there's a second secret

966
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,839
and then later a third secret so

967
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,640
it's

968
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,640
a build up

969
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,280
right in 26 there were some

970
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:35,839
recollections in 31 there's a secret and

971
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,319
44 there's another secret so um

972
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:42,560
maybe not that exact dates but it's more

973
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,800
or less this 36 44 41 44 something like

974
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,000
this

975
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:50,160
so

976
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,359
people

977
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,200
may believe what they want

978
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,359
but there's this possibility there were

979
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:57,200
no secret at all

980
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,560
yeah

981
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,800
interesting maybe maybe there were

982
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:02,319
visions

983
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,119
that she had while in the monastery

984
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:09,839
uh when she was highly

985
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:14,470
influenced

986
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,520
by

987
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,920
the jesuits vision

988
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,599
sure

989
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,599
so

990
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:23,200
it seems clear to me the catholic church

991
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,800
wanted some sort of control over the

992
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:26,319
situation so

993
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,280
no

994
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:29,599
and

995
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,390
in the beginning

996
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:38,560
the the the local priest

997
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:41,760
didn't believe anything

998
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,280
such as that in in in october after the

999
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:47,680
uh after he delivered

1000
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:48,640
the uh

1001
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:51,920
um his his reports to the bishop

1002
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:52,960
he

1003
00:42:09,910 --> 00:41:58,880
don't want to do anything with this

1004
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:12,870
who conducted several um

1005
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:17,280
profound research in

1006
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,280
questionnaires of with lucia um

1007
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,470
they they they didn't want to do to have

1008
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,319
anything with with it

1009
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,440
but the pressure of the population

1010
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,079
because it was it was the virgin mary it

1011
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,920
was who could it be

1012
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:37,839
they started gathering money to build a

1013
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,440
chapel they started so the the the

1014
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,119
church

1015
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,599
feeling that they were losing control

1016
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:47,040
they had to

1017
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:50,960
to to to take control of the situation

1018
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,000
and and give credit to it because

1019
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,920
uh and joking finance

1020
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:57,760
um

1021
00:43:01,589 --> 00:43:00,720
recently he published a book

1022
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,599
about

1023
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:04,000
all the other fatimas all the other

1024
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,880
apparitions so there are operations in

1025
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,040
portugal but all over the globe of

1026
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,040
course but in portugal there are

1027
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,720
apparitions

1028
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:15,119
since like the middle ages

1029
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:16,800
until right

1030
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,599
so

1031
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:19,920
more than 50 right

1032
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:21,280
some of them

1033
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:22,400
for instance

1034
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:25,440
back in 1917 exactly two days before

1035
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,400
fatima there was one in puente de vaca

1036
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,800
which is more up to north

1037
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:32,800
more or less the same characteristics

1038
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,680
and

1039
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:36,079
there's a sanctuary there but no one

1040
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,400
it's it it doesn't the the importance or

1041
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,200
the significance it's

1042
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,680
people don't know about it right there

1043
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,359
are several other

1044
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,720
um

1045
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,359
assay which is like it wasn't an

1046
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,599
apparition in the 50s

1047
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,960
but also

1048
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:57,040
other other other apparitions very

1049
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,030
people don't know about it and the

1050
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,000
church doesn't make much

1051
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,480
about him so what made fatima so special

1052
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,640
do you think it was just the the

1053
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,720
media coverage was just enough that

1054
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,920
people

1055
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:16,079
all congregated in this one space at the

1056
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:18,240
same time and that in itself was rare

1057
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,839
the fact the fact that uh

1058
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,720
it was

1059
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,560
through six months

1060
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,319
six apparitions

1061
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:29,200
yeah towards the others it's just once

1062
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:29,920
and

1063
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,000
it is like that yeah this one was six

1064
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,880
six separations right and there are

1065
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,560
there are reports of

1066
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,760
um

1067
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:41,119
strange

1068
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,480
phenomena

1069
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:43,520
back in

1070
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:45,000
1915

1071
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,040
1916 also people in that area seeing

1072
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:50,480
something

1073
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,839
and lucia later it's it's not in in the

1074
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:56,560
original reports but later she said that

1075
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:58,000
she

1076
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,280
recollects

1077
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:00,640
um

1078
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:06,309
an experience a contact with

1079
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:10,079
what he she interpreted as an angel

1080
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:11,280
that had

1081
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:14,480
appeared to her and her cousins

1082
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:19,359
uh in 1916 one year before

1083
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:22,720
and this this angel had given them

1084
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,319
something to eat and drink

1085
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,400
interesting

1086
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,319
maybe a preparation

1087
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,040
yeah that's why the differences

1088
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,440
yeah one can hear and

1089
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,920
and see and the others can't maybe and

1090
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:39,440
why maybe

1091
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:41,359
that's why only the children could see

1092
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,640
could see and not everyone else

1093
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:46,880
and that's that's so fascinating i'm

1094
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,680
sure jacques valet like dug into that

1095
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,680
detail as well because you know

1096
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,240
according to you know passport to

1097
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,480
magonia and the reference text for that

1098
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:58,839
book you know this is a common

1099
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,400
characteristic of non-human intelligence

1100
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,400
with regard to like

1101
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,640
irish lore fairy lore and things like

1102
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,400
this that you're not supposed to eat or

1103
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,480
drink anything that they give you

1104
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,480
because something will happen you'll be

1105
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,800
bewildered you'll you know you'll change

1106
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,240
into one of them you'll disappear

1107
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:18,240
forever there's all these stories right

1108
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,480
exactly and so and so it's fascinating

1109
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,480
that this this case

1110
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:23,599
is like

1111
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,240
the perfect everything in ones

1112
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,480
yeah you take a venn diagram it's like

1113
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:30,800
it's like right in the middle of of like

1114
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,040
so many aspects of of of anomalous

1115
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,000
phenomena you know ufology fairy lord

1116
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,200
the divine you know so much it it it

1117
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:43,440
almost has hallmarks of every single one

1118
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:44,640
of them

1119
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,960
it only makes it it only makes it more

1120
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,000
important

1121
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,839
to study especially since it's so well

1122
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,160
documented it's incredible

1123
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,079
yeah it is indeed

1124
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,680
well other than that case

1125
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:00,160
yes indeed i i've noticed there's a lot

1126
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,560
in the azores what's up with that

1127
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:04,400
oh there you go

1128
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,000
well there are there are exactly um

1129
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:10,240
portugal has several several interesting

1130
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:11,280
cases

1131
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,720
and uh well-documented uh especially

1132
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:17,040
involving the military

1133
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:18,000
and

1134
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:18,960
um

1135
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,200
it's unique also in the sense that for

1136
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:22,960
instance we do have

1137
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,920
two chief of staff of the air force

1138
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,760
that had

1139
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,359
sightings

1140
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:31,839
and they talked about it

1141
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,430
one of them later became

1142
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,359
chief of staff general of the armed

1143
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,680
forces so above him only the president

1144
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:45,200
well

1145
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:51,359
sighting was in 57 um

1146
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:54,319
like milton talks was in 57 as well

1147
00:48:03,190 --> 00:47:55,359
um

1148
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,200
a squadron for jets f-89

1149
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,440
and uh in a training flight night

1150
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,040
training flight between portugal and

1151
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:08,960
spain um

1152
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:11,520
at 25 000 feet

1153
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:15,200
clear skies and suddenly uh in spain

1154
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:19,440
spanish territory they saw a ball of

1155
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,760
and they try to understand what

1156
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,880
it could be

1157
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,559
and

1158
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:27,280
this this ball of light changed

1159
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,880
in terms of color in terms of dimension

1160
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:32,720
and uh they were

1161
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:35,760
obviously very

1162
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,400
surprised with it and

1163
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,160
later

1164
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,040
back in in portuguese territory

1165
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:44,960
it changed from a ball

1166
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,839
to

1167
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,440
something like this

1168
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,839
like a bent finger with

1169
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:50,960
edges

1170
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,480
and from inside this this object

1171
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,280
came three other small balls

1172
00:49:03,270 --> 00:48:59,119
and suddenly

1173
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,280
this whole set of objects um

1174
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,800
dove and

1175
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,000
went

1176
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,680
into the the uh

1177
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,280
like in a collision course with the

1178
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,200
airplane so they had to make an an

1179
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:12,960
emergency maneuver not to collide with

1180
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:16,400
the objects and with the between them as

1181
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:17,440
well

1182
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,880
they made a new emergency landing

1183
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,400
they all

1184
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:24,400
they made a report

1185
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:28,640
and that report was also signed by

1186
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:31,599
other pilots that were flying and

1187
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,319
witnessed the radio communications

1188
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:35,920
so testifying that everything went

1189
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,880
according to what the the pilots saw

1190
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:40,960
and then there was a

1191
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,559
report uh also by the the air force

1192
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,119
testifying that these were credible

1193
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:50,079
pilots with hundreds of hours of flight

1194
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:51,599
uh

1195
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:52,640
they

1196
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,920
could not explain

1197
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:57,359
well

1198
00:50:01,510 --> 00:50:00,319
so this this man that back then in 57

1199
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,520
was a captain

1200
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,839
later became general chief of staff of

1201
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:06,079
the air force chief of staff general of

1202
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:09,040
the armed forces and he uh because of

1203
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,480
this incident

1204
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,920
was

1205
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:13,440
interested became interested in the

1206
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:16,559
phenomena and helped

1207
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,880
try to understand other cases and helped

1208
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,240
with the research team from the

1209
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:23,680
university

1210
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:27,599
back in 1980 he made a protocol

1211
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,079
agreement that allowed

1212
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:32,880
civilian researchers to go into the air

1213
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:35,760
bases and to interview pilots

1214
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:37,359
right so this is

1215
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,960
1988

1216
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:41,359
yeah

1217
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,319
so

1218
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,680
yeah and then

1219
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,040
did the idea

1220
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:47,920
swordish because there was um

1221
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:51,599
after after uh world war ii

1222
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,880
uh the british had a base there and that

1223
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,400
base was

1224
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,800
later um

1225
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,440
lent to to to the americans to the to

1226
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,040
the u.s

1227
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:05,040
and so uh

1228
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:06,160
i think it's

1229
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:10,319
writing 48 in 48 there's already uh some

1230
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,680
mentions uh about sightings uh in

1231
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:15,359
portugal

1232
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:18,480
these so these are communications uh by

1233
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:21,520
the the u.s air force

1234
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:23,440
testifying that there were

1235
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:26,559
objects flying in portuguese airspace

1236
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,290
okay and so

1237
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:29,760
[Music]

1238
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,400
strange objects flying heights at high

1239
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:33,599
speeds

1240
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:34,640
in

1241
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,240
and they saw objects

1242
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:49,359
uh going side by side with the airplanes

1243
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:52,880
there's other cases where an

1244
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,040
an officer that was a guard at the base

1245
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,680
that suddenly

1246
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,240
there was an object that was seen and

1247
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,880
later this object landed

1248
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,160
and

1249
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:09,119
a being came out of the object

1250
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,480
saluted

1251
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,720
the uh the guards

1252
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,440
and

1253
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:15,359
the god was

1254
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:16,800
excuse me

1255
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,349
a car uh showed up and the uh the being

1256
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:26,240
went inside the the object and and

1257
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:27,280
left off

1258
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:31,280
and this this was corroborated uh by a

1259
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,280
crew of an airplane that also saw this

1260
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,839
light or big light uh going at a high

1261
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:38,800
speed

1262
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:41,920
it sounds just like the american cases

1263
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,720
in 68 uh in the azores air base and

1264
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,960
there was this it was a portuguese

1265
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,920
guards

1266
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:51,440
and in the

1267
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:52,640
ammunitions

1268
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,800
depot he was witnessing a radio

1269
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,440
there was a football match soccer

1270
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,200
uh that was being transmitted in the

1271
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:03,760
radio suddenly uh the um

1272
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,800
the radio started uh fuzzing out the the

1273
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:07,680
the

1274
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,200
and uh he saw a very bright light

1275
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:13,520
outside he went outside he saw big

1276
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,960
objects

1277
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,520
above the ammunitions depot

1278
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,960
and

1279
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,599
before that he heard the buzzing sounds

1280
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:23,440
wow

1281
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,119
then he

1282
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:27,119
when he looked a little bit better he

1283
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,920
saw that he had a dome like a glass dome

1284
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,040
with

1285
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,359
two beings inside

1286
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:35,359
and

1287
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,119
so he was

1288
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:41,040
he was

1289
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,960
many hours later found by some some

1290
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:46,960
some colleagues he was rushed to the

1291
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,520
hospital in complete state of shock he

1292
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:51,599
could not speak anything

1293
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,319
and uh well he eventually recovered but

1294
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,400
he was sent to the us for

1295
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,520
four more

1296
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:59,520
uh for a close-up

1297
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,640
um

1298
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,839
analysis

1299
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:04,400
really ever spoke about it yeah

1300
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,359
wow that's amazing yeah i wonder if was

1301
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,040
it our secret weapon

1302
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:11,040
just

1303
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,040
jay do you have you got anything for uh

1304
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,000
francisco yeah absolutely that's that's

1305
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:17,839
absolutely incredible

1306
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,839
so um to kind of uh getting towards the

1307
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:23,680
end of the hour but to

1308
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:25,839
kind of end with the beginning um what

1309
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:28,880
really got you interested in ufology and

1310
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,760
the paranormal at in the beginning were

1311
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,160
you fascinated with this as a child

1312
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,559
exactly i was i was always i never had

1313
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,440
any sightings until now

1314
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,520
so i'm a virgin in that area

1315
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,920
until now you said until now never saw

1316
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:45,040
anything

1317
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:46,559
zero

1318
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,160
but since childhood yes i was

1319
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,559
always fascinated with astronomy

1320
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,400
with the possibility of intelligence

1321
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:56,240
life elsewhere

1322
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,599
um well i read everything i knew

1323
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,240
everything about

1324
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:03,599
ufology

1325
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:09,270
a hobby

1326
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:10,480
you know

1327
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,839
i never researched any particular case

1328
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:16,000
i knew i knew about about

1329
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:17,359
about the

1330
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,480
i never researched anything in in

1331
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,920
particular

1332
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:25,040
it was

1333
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:28,960
only really in in 2009 after

1334
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:31,359
uh with watching the uh

1335
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:35,520
the exo-politics summit in barcelona

1336
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,720
that's when i felt i already knew about

1337
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,319
the disclosure project from stephen

1338
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:41,760
greer

1339
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:42,640
but

1340
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:45,680
seeing in 2009 in person that there were

1341
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:49,040
people with my age involved in activism

1342
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:49,920
about

1343
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:54,559
it led me to

1344
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,440
speaking with some friends we

1345
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:59,599
put in action exopolitics portugal that

1346
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:01,520
was later registered as a non-profit

1347
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:02,799
organization

1348
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,599
and

1349
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,760
since then things

1350
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:10,470
well eventually throughout the years i

1351
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,280
met all the the pioneer researchers of

1352
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:15,520
course in portugal we are very good

1353
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:16,400
friends

1354
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,359
and

1355
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,440
all of them they have came to my house

1356
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,960
and we

1357
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:21,920
talk

1358
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,960
very frequently we are involved

1359
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:27,040
in common uh

1360
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:28,319
projects

1361
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:29,599
and

1362
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:35,839
the pilots i met the uh

1363
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,319
the generals the chiefs of staff of the

1364
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,599
air force um

1365
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,520
the the public relations of the air

1366
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,319
force um because of this

1367
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,839
um

1368
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:49,200
it was freddie kuldale from the

1369
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:56,230
told the the the national geographic

1370
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:57,200
crew

1371
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,559
production team

1372
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,200
that they wanted to make ufo europe they

1373
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,000
knew about one case in portugal the 1982

1374
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,799
case which is a very good case um that

1375
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:07,760
involves

1376
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,960
three pilots 25 minutes with an object

1377
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,040
going around with them there was a big

1378
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:16,160
big research that was conducted with by

1379
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:17,359
civilians

1380
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,240
and

1381
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,480
it was it was it was

1382
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,119
it's it's one of the richest richest

1383
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,680
cases in portugal

1384
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:26,400
and

1385
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:31,680
started we started talking i presented

1386
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,599
them all the other cases they were

1387
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,240
fascinated so they came they spent here

1388
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:38,240
like 15 days

1389
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,640
and i took them to the air bases

1390
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,720
introduced them to the military to the

1391
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:44,720
researchers at university we filmed in

1392
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:47,440
university filmed uh in the air bases

1393
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,760
filmed in several other places then came

1394
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,440
the history channel that

1395
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,880
they tried they wanted to do saying the

1396
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,640
same thing and

1397
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:56,960
since then other other productions teams

1398
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,920
came came as well to to do something

1399
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,160
so what's the the general feel about

1400
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,720
this stuff i mean did are people

1401
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,960
thinking that from the ocean

1402
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,480
from from the

1403
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,319
from the ground from

1404
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:13,119
outer space

1405
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,559
what do you mean

1406
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,480
the portuguese public

1407
00:58:20,829 --> 00:58:18,960
yeah or just the the

1408
00:58:22,450 --> 00:58:20,839
hardcore researchers out

1409
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,460
there well

1410
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,079
[Laughter]

1411
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,319
eventually there may be uh

1412
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:29,040
different interpretations even among

1413
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:30,480
researchers which is normal yeah a

1414
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,839
little different

1415
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:33,520
and

1416
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:37,839
some may have a more jack valet approach

1417
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:40,880
but it's not necessarily necessarily

1418
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:44,240
extraterrestrial but it may be another

1419
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:48,240
reality right that we cannot understand

1420
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:50,799
and there are others that think it's

1421
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,160
purely extraterrestrial interdimensional

1422
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:56,160
extra temporal

1423
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,839
it can be all the above what about you

1424
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:01,760
i don't know

1425
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,950
something exists

1426
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:10,880
and it may have

1427
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:14,000
different origins it's not when we talk

1428
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,599
about ufos people tend to think

1429
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,200
the same origin

1430
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:21,280
but it may have

1431
00:59:27,970 --> 00:59:27,430
and it may have

1432
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,980
even

1433
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,760
[Music]

1434
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,440
supposedly some of them are

1435
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:33,280
extraterrestrial

1436
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:36,480
some of them may have discovered us last

1437
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,440
week

1438
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,440
some of them may have discovered as

1439
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:41,200
millennial

1440
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,589
different purposes

1441
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:49,440
you're just lagging this whole thing

1442
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:51,760
the same in the same way that we cannot

1443
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:52,559
talk

1444
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:54,400
and we cannot establish

1445
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,760
communication with an insect

1446
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,160
and we have disdain

1447
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,559
with the insect we can crush them right

1448
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:04,559
and don't feel anything

1449
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:07,280
some of them may feel the same thing

1450
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,319
right

1451
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,280
so much possible because we have

1452
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:13,680
it's such a different psychology and

1453
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:16,559
such a different

1454
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,839
interpretation of reality that's

1455
01:00:24,069 --> 01:00:21,359
well hopefully there's

1456
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:24,079
there's the kind that like really love

1457
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:27,680
insects and want to create a habitat for

1458
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:29,920
flourish and grow and that's right you

1459
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,000
know feed them and hopefully there's

1460
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:34,079
something like that

1461
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,000
and i i tend to agree with

1462
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,760
you know like it could be like the new

1463
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:39,680
york city phone book or the tokyo phone

1464
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,200
book like how many different kinds of

1465
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:43,520
entities or more yeah that could have

1466
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:44,480
been

1467
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,440
with us if we make a reflection

1468
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:49,520
a com comparison

1469
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:50,240
with

1470
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,359
what is

1471
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:54,160
a planet earth with more than

1472
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,359
three million different species in one

1473
01:01:03,670 --> 01:00:58,880
planet

1474
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,510
with with the uh

1475
01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:07,280
the atlas

1476
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:08,700
of this

1477
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,839
[Music]

1478
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:12,400
almost infinite universe may have

1479
01:01:17,330 --> 01:01:15,280
different dimensions which is infinite

1480
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:17,340
plus infinite

1481
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:20,799
[Laughter]

1482
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:21,920
well

1483
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:25,040
yeah i had a great chat with you uh we

1484
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,000
are here

1485
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,640
uh up against the hour can we

1486
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:30,799
um ask you maybe one or two more

1487
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,200
questions you guys have that yeah yeah

1488
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:35,200
wonderful jay do you get something

1489
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,319
yeah i was just gonna ask um you know

1490
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,000
for our audience out there and thank you

1491
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,599
for being so patient about the fatima

1492
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:43,599
case you know there's always new people

1493
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:45,839
coming into the field and there's always

1494
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:47,599
and it's always interesting to reveal

1495
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:49,520
these these things

1496
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,359
this was only a very small summary yeah

1497
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:55,440
absolutely i mean and there's so many

1498
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:58,000
more cases well absolutely i mean you

1499
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,599
know if if you're willing it'd be great

1500
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:01,440
to have you back sometime to talk more

1501
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:02,960
about these under known cases in

1502
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:05,599
portugal portuguese-speaking countries

1503
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,280
and uh in the eu in general um oh you

1504
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:11,680
know along those lines i i see that

1505
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,000
you're a director and a founder a

1506
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:16,480
co-founder of icer can you tell us a

1507
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:19,039
little bit about icer and what icer is

1508
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,160
doing and and what your aims are this is

1509
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:23,760
this is the big project right now of

1510
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:25,760
course um

1511
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:30,319
so uh it all started in 2018 with uh an

1512
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,160
interest by

1513
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:36,720
a chinese group that

1514
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,280
i believe my interpretation is that

1515
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:41,440
they were caught

1516
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:45,599
by surprise by the new york times peace

1517
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,480
and the openness of the us

1518
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,400
and this is my interpretation it can it

1519
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,160
may not be right the right the right one

1520
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:54,000
but it's my interpretation so they

1521
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:57,440
wanted to promote an international group

1522
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:59,599
uh pick up

1523
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:02,240
different international researchers that

1524
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:04,160
would feed them

1525
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,920
information

1526
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:06,960
right

1527
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:09,839
and so they they promoted

1528
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,839
it was the five continent forum in

1529
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:13,119
moscow

1530
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:15,520
it was paid by the chinese

1531
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,480
and they

1532
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,640
presented this idea of building an

1533
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:20,400
international

1534
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:23,359
coalition of researchers

1535
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:26,319
eventually the chinese

1536
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,039
like disappeared they

1537
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:31,440
stopped talking about the project they

1538
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:34,400
didn't reply to emails anything

1539
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,760
uh but but especially the ones that were

1540
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,839
first involved roberto pinati don

1541
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,039
schmidt

1542
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:44,559
they thought that once the all this

1543
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:46,079
network was

1544
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:48,400
more or less uh

1545
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:49,839
already existed

1546
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,559
the the researchers were identified

1547
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:54,559
researchers and activists of course

1548
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:55,839
um

1549
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,880
why not

1550
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:58,480
put it in practice

1551
01:04:02,549 --> 01:03:59,359
and so

1552
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,559
we started working

1553
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:04,640
having meetings by zoom

1554
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:05,520
and

1555
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:08,319
putting everything together eventually

1556
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:10,960
there was a

1557
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:14,400
a vote session it was unanimous votes to

1558
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:16,400
be um

1559
01:04:22,230 --> 01:04:18,880
created registered in portugal here in

1560
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:22,240
porto because i had already had some

1561
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,400
well i had founded exo-politics portugal

1562
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:27,280
i knew the procedures and uh portugal is

1563
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,319
neutral

1564
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:29,520
had some

1565
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:34,319
uh good cases there was openness so

1566
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:36,319
and they knew they

1567
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:37,440
they

1568
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:39,520
had confidence in me of course

1569
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,960
and so um

1570
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:42,960
back in in may

1571
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,680
may 27th of last year

1572
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:47,440
me and joaquin fernandez

1573
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:50,559
uh we went to the the conservatory and

1574
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,280
registered that we also of course we had

1575
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:55,920
to obtain the documents

1576
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:57,280
certified

1577
01:05:02,150 --> 01:04:59,920
by the notary from each

1578
01:05:05,029 --> 01:05:02,160
of the researchers across the globe

1579
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:05,039
and it's it's a very bureaucratic

1580
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,400
procedure

1581
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:09,200
it took some time and patience of course

1582
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:10,799
and yeah we

1583
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,799
re we registered

1584
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:14,640
and um

1585
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:17,680
like an ngo an international ngo uh it

1586
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:21,200
has three bodies uh the executive boards

1587
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,200
the general assembly board and the

1588
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:25,440
fiscal board

1589
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:29,520
so the president is roberto pinati

1590
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:32,559
vice president is gary iseltein

1591
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:35,280
then don schmidt is the continental

1592
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,960
director for

1593
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:38,640
north america

1594
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,480
aj weird and andreas mandini our

1595
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,640
representatives are

1596
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,839
directors

1597
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:47,680
and vice director for

1598
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:51,119
south south america

1599
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,200
susan hansen from

1600
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:55,440
asia and oceania

1601
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:57,200
australia new zealand

1602
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:58,880
i'm from europe

1603
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:01,280
and we just recently

1604
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:10,150
the next couple of days we'll

1605
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:11,920
we'll be

1606
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,160
informing the public

1607
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:16,720
you can just do it now

1608
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:29,910
it's not every uh it's

1609
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:32,960
not that it's a very visible work it's

1610
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:34,799
almost behind the curtains of course

1611
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:36,559
which are very uh

1612
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:39,520
we have we have

1613
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,160
meetings almost like every 15 days of

1614
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:44,400
at least we have

1615
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,150
several

1616
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:54,319
different projects that are on on the

1617
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,480
way to be

1618
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:58,880
presented and

1619
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:01,760
obviously connections with militaries

1620
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:02,799
and uh

1621
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:04,160
of course

1622
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:08,789
a difference

1623
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:09,920
hopefully

1624
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,079
yeah absolutely well i think you are

1625
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:15,280
already you know 100 100

1626
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:16,640
there are many

1627
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:20,960
i think since since 2017 it's it was uh

1628
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,559
like a big bang for for disclosure right

1629
01:07:28,870 --> 01:07:25,920
so it's

1630
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:28,880
much more talked about

1631
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:32,240
there's there's much more openness from

1632
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:34,880
politicians from military from the

1633
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:37,760
general public so in that sense it's

1634
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:39,440
easier

1635
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:46,710
it was a topic in the in the fringe

1636
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:49,680
right you say in the fringe topic right

1637
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:52,079
yeah that makes sense

1638
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:53,920
now it's more mainstream

1639
01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:56,720
or trying to be more mainstream yeah

1640
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,640
well it's you know

1641
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:00,400
i'm just grateful that there's people

1642
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:02,240
like yourself leading that effort with

1643
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:04,000
with the with the big heart like you do

1644
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:05,760
have i can tell so

1645
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,880
i'm appreciative of that work you know

1646
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,720
yeah it's a little bit of patience and

1647
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,200
dedication of course and having a family

1648
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,760
that supports and understands and it's

1649
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,239
not easy of course

1650
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:20,880
and especially we spend money we don't

1651
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:23,520
earn anything we spend money we spend

1652
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:26,000
time lots of efforts it's not easy of

1653
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,159
course that's the best part about this

1654
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:31,520
just living in the black dedication

1655
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,040
yeah that's right

1656
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:35,279
i hear you well um

1657
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:37,759
yeah anything else you got jay before we

1658
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,319
uh get out of here i'm just seeing from

1659
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:42,560
the chat that a bunch of of of the

1660
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:44,080
viewers also

1661
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:46,560
are chiming in that we we need to have

1662
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:50,400
francisco francisco francis

1663
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:52,080
francisco

1664
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,120
yes back as soon as you know uh whenever

1665
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:57,759
he's able to and we would love to to be

1666
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,719
able to personally incorrectly hear more

1667
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,719
about these portuguese cases pronounce

1668
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,319
their names correctly

1669
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,560
uh and and get all the other details

1670
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:08,799
it'd be absolutely wonderful for sure of

1671
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:11,520
course indeed no it was a pleasure uh

1672
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:12,239
and

1673
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:20,319
portugal is very small it used to be a

1674
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,120
very big empire

1675
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:25,199
it is a miracle how

1676
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,000
this very small country with so little

1677
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:30,400
population was able to have such a big

1678
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:33,359
empire from asia to south america to

1679
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,960
africa right and still with the uh all

1680
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:38,640
the um

1681
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,520
all the the

1682
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:45,199
independence

1683
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:47,920
wars from the colonies how it was also

1684
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:49,120
able to

1685
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:50,480
to be present

1686
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,000
in all those war fronts with so little

1687
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:56,719
population yeah i know it's a miracle

1688
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:03,750
heart well it's on my bucket list to

1689
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:06,000
visit there so yeah

1690
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:07,520
um

1691
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,560
any of you please ring a bell and

1692
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:12,000
i will

1693
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:13,840
lead you into a visit

1694
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,800
so you have to visit tomorrow

1695
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:18,719
home of the night templars you know

1696
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,840
that's the

1697
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:21,520
nightclub oh my gosh

1698
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,400
yes

1699
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:24,719
that's simple

1700
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:26,320
drugs are legal the creation of

1701
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:34,470
sean doesn't do any drugs but he's he's

1702
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,840
not but it's fun that they're legal yeah

1703
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,840
yeah there you go so many groups not in

1704
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:41,840
years exactly

1705
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,040
okay

1706
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,679
well thank you very much i had a great

1707
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,440
time with you sir absolutely thank you

1708
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:49,120
for taking time from your evening thank

1709
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,960
you for rushing home really deeply

1710
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:52,400
appreciate it it's been an absolutely

1711
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:53,679
wonderful chat

1712
01:10:58,149 --> 01:10:55,760
and i look forward to seeing you again

1713
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:58,159
thank you pleasure thank you wonderful

1714
01:11:04,610 --> 01:10:59,120
bye-bye

1715
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:19,490
[Music]

1716
01:11:43,370 --> 01:11:33,930
so